I have an NRSV new Oxford annotated bible, but I found all the footnotes distracting during prayer time, so I picked up a Catholic RSV "Ignatius" Bible. If the translators believe that the all-inclusive “prophet” is alright for προφῆτις, then why not “man” for aner? I think the difference in worldview is less of a factor than the way the text is handled. The New Greek-English Interlinear New Testament (Personal Size), Interlinear KJV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, http://www.augsburgfortre...d=195708&infoid=21347. 4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. NRSV Well, even after a decade of writing this post, I am still referring to both the NRSV and the ESV. I’ve come to prefer the ESV, and the NRSV even more now, just because I find them just a little more readable than the other two. If you were then (blush blush). (okay, now I’ll just lurk *blush*). In my past, the two translations I usually consult the most are the NASB and NRSV but this should not be seen as a slight to the ESV. The ESV seems to be inconsistent in the way it renders anthropos for “people”. Just thought someone here might have a bit more info. Kevin, I think you’d like a comparison with the REB to the TNIV and HCSB. It’s nothing fancy for the price but if you want to buy a cheap copy for comparisons that is all that I use mine for at the moment. I do remember though, that it is a pretty obscure verse to translate, and the ESV`s rendering is probably as valid as the traditional ones. The amount of meticulous translation work done on the NASB is incredible. Search for a formal translation: NASB vs ESV vs NRSV March 08, 2008 In the future, I will be blogging on formal equivalent translations doing a comparison of how it renders specific scriptural passages. From the preface of the ESV: “The ESV is an “essentially literal” translation that seeks as far as possible to capture the precise wording of the original text and the personal style of each Bible writer. Your kingdom come. Concerning the ESV with deuterocanonicals, I think it would be a very good thing for a more moderate to conservative Episcopalian like myself. Does not use the older/poetic English forms (may be viewed as a positive or negative) ESV. It is concerning a verse in Mark 13:14, in which it says “the abomination of desolation standing where HE ought not to be”, while other translations state “where IT ought not to be”. All this being said, I think you got it right, in a nutshell Kevin. Kevin, that’s exactly my point. I`ve noticed this to be much more glaring in the ESV than the NRSV. I think the addition of an ESV apocrypha will be really good for the ESV translation itself. The ESV seems to be the leanest in terms of wordiness—that is, it seems to use fewer words than the NASB and NRSV to say the same thing. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. But with so many options available, I don’t think so. Just never got around to picking up a copy to check it out, so I`d love to see that one compared. 2 Corinthians 10:13 (NRSV) So far the translations seem very similar. When the ESV came out I gave that a go as well. 30. The NLTse is a DE. I don’t think this is a case of conservative bias—just a decision that could go either way. The evangelical bible reading community may not be big users but there is a large-segment in the non-evangelical community that does read the apocrypha. It’s kind of neat to see the ESV blog’s link to this post. The NASB brackets John 5:3b-4; the ESV footnotes those verses. Another strength of the ESV is that it is the most up-to-date in scholarship. Is this an example of the conservative bias in the ESV that Peter and I are speaking of? That would make for a great series. This is why the textual footnotes are just as important as the textual body. ( Log Out /  Nathan, I’m trying to keep this third translation near the intermediate range between FE and DE. Personally, I like some of it, especially Sirach. Word Study Greek-English New Testament: with complete concordance (Hardcover)by Paul McReynolds (Editor). NRSV has a cheaper concordance, so if you're doing "serious academic" stuff, that may be a factor for you. TC, I was wrong about προφῆτις. ( Log Out /  The NIV is very easy to read but may lack the accuracy of the NASB. I might add in a third but I’m not sure what that might be. The literalness in the NASB is in itself, its own strength, and at the same time, it is also its own weakness. Kevin, I really appreciate these comparisons. We, however, will not boast beyond limits, but will keep within the field that God has assigned to us, to reach out even as far as you. The NRSV is not as literal as the NASB and is slightly less literal than the ESV; but yet, it is very accurate. That sounds exciting ElSh. I tend to agree with the conclusion from this site: http://bible-researcher.com/esv.html, “So, for close study the ESV is less suitable than the NASB or NKJV. who is the best here? Kevin, I’m in essential agreement with your conclusions on all three formal translations. For comparison: NASB: [waiting for the moving of the waters; 4 for an angel of the Lord went down at certain seasons into the pool and stirred up the water; whoever then first, after the stirring up of the water, stepped in was made well from whatever disease with which he was afflicted.] As an example, see 2 Timothy 2:2, where ESV breaks its regular translation principles to render “men” rather than “people”, the only justification being a presupposition, in fact falsified by 1:5 and 3:14,15, that women can never be qualified to teach others. In paragraph two you said, ‘the NRSV is the least literal of the three literal translations’ but in the NRSV section you say, ‘The NRSV is not as literal as the NASB and is slightly more literal than the ESV’. Many thanks to all who contribute. I had started a TNIV/HCSB/NET/ISV “median translation comparison” post at one point in time, but never got around to doing anything with it. Already, the stocks of existing NASB’s are dwindling or exhausted. This is why it has been the formal equivalent translation of choice for conservatives/evangelicals who have a high view of scripture and who do a lot of exegetical bible studies. I do consult with ESV more these days. Despite this inconsistency, I would still consider it an excellent translation and trustworthy. One thing we MUST remember is that the textual footnotes of a translation are every bit as important as the words chosen by the translators to use in the actual text. I think the NKJV is probably one of the only translations I will never use, along with paraphrases. I don’t own a NKJV and never plan to, so someone else will have to give you specifics if you want them. Excellent for serious Bible study; 1995 revision is more readable than 1977 (Note that the 1977 version uses "Thee" and "Thou" to distinguish God.) The New Revised Standard Version of the Bible (NRSV) was published in 1989 and has received the widest acclaim and broadest support from academics and church leaders of any modern English translation.. But a look to Strong`s and The NIV Exhaustive Concordance (man I wish they made one of these keyed to NRSV)seems to more than justify such a rendering IMHO. The NRSV has moved towards a dynamic equivalence philosophy. It seems to me that all the gender inclusive translations are a little inconsistent about things like this prophet/prophetess issue. Heck, I just bought another ESV this week, could not resist the pocket reference single column bible that just came out. In a way I`m a little bit surprised this hasn`t already been done, seeing how J.I. I’ve actually been debating the best fourth translation, but are you only going to choose three next time? What I like about this one is that it has a full concordance in addition to the interlinear, plus it has Strong`s numbers above every word. The NASB was my first choice Bible for reading, studying and preaching. Do you have any suggestions for that third? Just recently I picked up a very cheap Cambridge leather bound NRSV. For a formal translation, I’m probably too ingrained with the NASB to ever consider the ESV or NRSV as a permanent change. I greatly appreciate your efforts. I`ve come to love the NRSV more and more, but I use the ESV right beside it often times. The NIV is the right-most (not meaning conservative, but furthest right on this chart) while the NASB is the furthest left. And just what you think of these bibles. I am hoping and praying they make a nicer copy of it in a more traditional leather bound copy. Hi Mark, surprised I hadn’t read this one before, but Alexander’s comment alerted me to it. All three translations are very good but I do not want to minimize any of their strengths so I cannot prescribe a “best translation”. I checked only 1-2 Timothy, I found where it does render “people” is: 1 Tim. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. I hear that the NASB will be updated soon. Do you have any experience with it? Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. like NLT and the updated NIV. Postscript : See I Corinthians 13:8-13 in translations – what a hash!! I found the inclusive language interesting but it sounded a bit odd to me, so I went back to the NASB. Maybe you can throw in the NLTse. However, I chose the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) over the ESV, because the HCSB uses more contemporary language than the ESV. I’ll reserve further recommendation based on whether or not you are going to do a four-way layout again or not. If you want a fairly literal translation and even greater readability than the ESV, plus gender-neutral language, then the NRSV is best. It is literal yet accurate. I … Thanks for the links Kevin, I will have to read the 25 page article later, but the NET translation note was very good. posts are no longer being added here. Hi BStaggs, thanks for your input. NASB 2020. Pardon the sidebar, just thought I`d share since you mentioned interlinears. I use both. I also think something important for a main translation is having study materials (i.e. I`m enjoying, and learning from everyone`s posts. So here is my individual conclusion to each of the three excellent translations. The 2020 is unusually wordy for the NASB. The ESV is a scholarly translation and will become known as such. But then, the NRSV does this too. And of course I had to get out my pen and re-write a few passages (John 1:18, 2nd Peter 1:1, Titus 2:13, Jude 1:4, Revelation 1:8, with some others) to their proper grammatical structure along with wording provided by other manuscripts. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. The ESV sometimes translates Adelphoi as brothers, sometimes brothers and sisters or something along those “inclusive” lines (shrug). BTW, I posted a couple of comments under the God and gender post, let me know what you think. share. Kevin, I just ordered this book. The ESV website says now in its FAQ, that another publisher (other than Crossway) is preparing a version of the ESV with the apocrypha. The NASB sounds more awkward in its rendering of: “all the things that were coming upon Him.” The ESV’s “ all that would happen to him” or the NRSV’s “ all that was to happen to him” flows better. Peter, Do you know of any perfect translation? The translators of the NRSV did a lot of work in making improvements over the RSV, even more so than what the ESV translators have done with the RSV, in my opinion. My 40 year old brain tends to misfire when I try to go from memory. Anyway, if you hear anything more about it, I`d appreciate it very much if you posted it here. There has been some speculation and discussion about this. Kevin, I am looking forward toward your TNIV and HCSB comparison. I have recently started to consult the ESV much more often because I have discovered its excellence. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, once more, with feelin' ... VPP, VPP, VPP. Also, ten years on from the original post, has your opinion changed at all? I was willing to overlook its awkwardness at times and inconsistencies. Nathan, the REB is beginning to sound like a good choice even though it’s not very well known in North America. 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